Opinion : Letter to the Editor: A rebuttal

By Vinton Today · September 25, 2023, 7:29 pm

Dear Editor:

Why are you critics so obsessed with defending the indefensible? The border is open in defiance of Federal Immigration Law. These illegals are getting money from somewhere. The video I was referring to was a Tucker Carlson segment found on TicTock. Perhaps if you look there you will find it. I am not surprised that you defenders could not find any information to substantiate my opinion piece. The MSM is in the Democrat pocket; they will do or write anything to protect the Democrat narrative. The White House spokespeople will not answer direct questions to the issue I raised. That should raise red flags, but no -- you chose to defend this incompetent old man that is certainly not in charge, but who is - my spidey sense tells me it is Barack Obama and his old cabinet appointees. Prove me wrong on that one.

There are what many call "kitchen table" issues among them are, the border, the economy, and national defense. There are certainly others that have equal importance to others. As of now these are the ones most important to me. There are those who warn of an impending war with China. I have seen reports of war games with the invasion of Taiwan. We lose, and can expect an invasion on our shores by the CCP military. I pray that does not happen, but we must prepare. The military planners should prepare for the most devastating action against our Country. Right now Ukraine is firing, reportedly, 2,000 artillery shells a day, many probably supplied by us. Our defense manufacturers can produce 2,000 of these projectiles a month. We will eventually reduce our inventory to zero. What then??? What is the end game - Russia v. Ukraine? Is there an off ramp. How much more money can we afford to give Ukraine???

Regards, and blessings

John Stiegelmeyer

Vinton

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GB September 26, 2023, 10:45 pm John, keep it up. The critics apparently lack the capability to even comprehend we have a corrupt crime family in the White House. I laugh at the thought of how these same clowns would have reacted and gone into a frenzy had any members of the Trump family been receiving cash payments from the Russians. They are very hypocritical and clearly ethically challenged. If they cannot come to terms with the fact that Biden has been bought and paid for by many of our adversaries and primarily China, they clearly do not stand on their own morals and the garbage they spew.

RS September 26, 2023, 4:57 pm John, You ask how can we defend the indefensible rather we are standing for facts and truth instead of misinformation and lies. You suggested finding the Tucker Carlson connection and I have. Another article detailing the lies you are so interested in supporting. Even the person who started these comments Todd Bensman backed off the veracity of his information when challenged. I suggest you take the time to check the facts before hitting send. Lauren Boebert’s migrant misinformation trail winds back to Canada 2006 Analysis by Glenn Kessler The Fact Checker September 21, 2023 at 3:00 a.m. EDT “Biden is giving each illegal family $2,200 per month plus a free plane ticket and free medical care. If you come to this country illegally, you get everything handed to you on a silver platter. If you’re a struggling American citizen, you get nothing. You actually just subsidize this foolishness.” — Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-Colo.), in a tweet, Sept. 8 Members of Congress have access to all sorts of information, some of it classified, that is generally beyond the reach of many Americans. With a phone call or a letter, a House member can obtain detailed statistics from government agencies. So the words of a lawmaker can carry weight. This tweet by Boebert, for instance, went viral, earning more than 2 million views from more than 13,000 retweets. We should point out that this claim is false, worthy of Four Pinocchios, and has been debunked over and over. Now, we have traced its start to false information first spread in Canada 17 years ago. Undocumented immigrants — those Boebert refers to as illegal — do not receive monthly checks. Under a 1980 law, refugees — people who have documented that they are fleeing a war or persecution — may receive a one-time resettlement payment for items such as food, clothing, transportation or rent. Then they may qualify for cash assistance for a period of time not more than one year, with the amount varying by size of family. Afghan evacuees and some Ukrainians were also given a specific benefit by Congress… …We’re especially interested in how this misinformation reached a member of Congress in the first place. Let’s follow the misinformation trail. An unreliable source Boebert’s staff did not respond to a request for comment but told a Colorado television station that her source was the Gateway Pundit, which is a widely popular news source. Its Facebook page has more than 600,000 followers. It’s also notorious for spreading false information. NewsGuard, which rates the accuracy of news sources, says Gateway Pundit is “a far-right political website that publishes false and misleading content” and “regularly distorts information and occasionally spreads conspiracy theories.” Gateway Pundit earned from NewsGuard a score of 20 out of 100 — which means the “website is unreliable because it severely violates basic journalistic standards.” On Sept. 7, Gateway Pundit’s editor, Jim Hoft, posted an article titled “Outrageous! Border Patrol Agent Reveals Biden Regime Gives $2,200 of Taxpayer Money Per Illegal Immigrant Family, Plus a Plane Ticket, Housing, Food, Free Medical Services.” The article compared the alleged payments to these: “the average American on Social Security receives just $1,400 per month and Maui survivors with only $700.” (The monthly average for Social Security checks is actually $1,837.) So what was Holt’s source? He referred to a video interview with an anonymous Border Patrol agent, conducted by Todd Bensman, a fellow for the Center for Immigration Studies, and posted on Sept. 6. That interview earned almost 100,000 views. “They get a check every month … a cost-of-living check, along with housing and food and medical,” the agent said as Bensman kept his camera on a group of migrants at the Texas border. Bensman asked how much the check was and the agent replied: “My understanding, I’ve heard it’s about 2,200 a month.” In his tweet over the video, Bensman indicated this was not yet solid information: “will need to independently confirm but hmmmm.” But that did not stop Gateway Pundit from running with it as established fact. (Hoft did not respond to a request for comment.) Tucker Carlson’s role So where did this Border Patrol agent get this information? It’s possible he saw an interview that former Fox host Tucker Carlson conducted on X, formerly known as Twitter, with retired Col. Douglas Macgregor on Aug. 21. “We hand every alleged asylum seeker, illegal immigrant pouring in through the border in Texas or wherever else, we hand them when they get here, $2,200,” Macgregor told Carlson. “And we put them on that $2,200 diet from there on out, per month. Yet somebody who works all his life retires and draws Social Security gets $1,400.” On Sept. 9, Bensman posted on X a viral TikTok clip of Macgregor’s remarks. He commented: “$2,200 checks to illegal aliens again? Even short of details, unverified claims like this, like the old song goes, ‘makes ya wanna go hmmmm.’” That tweet received 33,000 views. A day later, Bensman backed off after he was challenged by other people on X, including Aaron Reichlin-Melnick, policy director of the American Immigration Council, a pro-immigrant group. In a tweet that got about 2,500 views, Bensman said that he was beginning to believe the agent had conflated payments given to Afghan refugees with those he claimed were given to all undocumented immigrants crossing the border. Bensman says he handled the information appropriately. “My tweets said it was unverified, that I had not independently confirmed the agent’s claim, and I later sent another one out saying he was probably mistaking it for the Afghan payments of up to 3 months,” Bensman said in an email to The Fact Checker. “I was hoping to get to the bottom of it. Maybe an expert would send a link or explain it. I think the agent conflated a couple of programs. But nowhere will anyone read that I called this established truth.” So where did Macgregor get his information? We received a curious response when we asked. In an email, Macgregor provided a link to a news story from a conservative Texas radio station, KTRH of Houston, titled: “Biden Giving Illegals $2,200 Per Month Welfare, Only $1,400 to US Retirees.” The story was dated Aug. 28, seven days after his interview. The article cited an Aug. 22 news release by a group called Americans for Legal Immigration PAC, generally known as ALIPAC. “Biden Admin Giving Illegals $2,200 Per Month Welfare, Only $1,400 to US Retirees,” said the news release’s headline. What was the source for ALIPAC? Macgregor’s own interview with Carlson. To bolster his claim, Macgregor also sent us another source — Bensman’s interview with the Border Patrol agent. We did not hear back from Macgregor after we pointed out that the KTRH article relied on a news release that quoted him and that Bensman had concluded the border agent spoke in error. In an interview, Reichlin-Melnick suggested that Macgregor’s source might have been a moderately viral July 24 tweet by a group called Texans for Strong Borders: “Did you know: The government pays out $2,125/month in refugee benefits to refugees resettled in the United States. Meanwhile, Social Security recipients who have paid into the system their entire lives receive $1,400/month on average.” That tweet received 56,000 views. Note, however, that the tweet referred to refugees, not all migrants. Macgregor also did not respond when we asked if that was the case. Texans for Strong Borders also did not respond to a query about its sourcing. A zombie claim The depressing thing about this chronicle of misinformation is that it’s been debunked before. In 2021, an Instagram post quoted a 2019 tweet by conservative activist Charlie Kirk: “Did you know? The government pays out $2,125/month in refugee benefits to refugees resettled in the United States. Meanwhile, Social Security recipients who have paid into the system their whole live receive $1,400/month on average.” This is word for word the same as the recent Texans for Strong Borders tweet, except with a small typo. Kirk erred in claiming refugees got a monthly payment that high. A Kirk spokesman told PolitiFact that he was relying on a 2018 fact check — though that fact check did not refer to monthly payments. The Instagram post was deleted; Kirk’s post is still active. (Kirk did not respond to a request for comment.) And what was PolitiFact fact-checking in 2018? A Facebook meme that made this false claim: “Illegal refugees get $3,874/mo. under the Federal Assistance Program. Our SS checks are approximately $1,200/mo.” That meme in turn was based on a Facebook post that Snopes in 2017 debunked — a post that referred (falsely) to refugee policy in Canada. The post showed an authentic image of resettlement payment in Canada — but in a misleading way. The $3,874 in Canadian dollars (or $2,748 in U.S. dollars at the time) was for a family of five and it was a one-time payment — not a monthly one. … …The Bottom Line This is a good example of the outrage machine in motion. People are so quick to seize on information that confirms a false belief — that immigrants get more than U.S. citizens from the government — that few stop to think twice before spreading it across social media. It’s much easier to click “like” and repost. Rosemary Schwartz

JS September 26, 2023, 4:20 pm I did not say the $2,200 came from Social Security. I wrote that the Biden Admin. paid these illegals that amount. There may be many welfare programs that these people may get from this Admin. Whose gaslighting who? The Tucker segment I referred to on TicToc. Was Tucker with an unidentified person I assume to be a Congressman. That may or may not be the case. The problem remains that communities who decided to be sanctuary cities now realize how expensive this can be. New York is only one city that finds that they are spending millions to house and care for these people. This is unsustainable. The Mayor does not have the funds to continue this debacle. The next President must find a way to close both North and South Borders. We can not be a welfare state for the World. The $1,400 Soc Sec. amount came from the interviewee. I only reported the amount he stated. If that is a wrong figure I only repeated the figure thinking that is was correct if not then so be it. Most people do not know what the will receive until they qualify for this benefit. John Stieglmeyer

DL September 26, 2023, 4:04 pm IS, I guess you've officially been brainwashed now, too. Your comment on your rant, yesterday, makes me wonder if you're suffering from the same dementia that Trump is. Did you hear him talk about him beating Obama in the 2016 election? Did you hear him state that he beat George W. Bush in the 2016 Primary? Did you hear that he said that the 2020 election was rigged? That he beat Obama then, too. You can be as uncomfortable about Joe Biden in our White House. But, you have no idea what you're talking about, when you start talking about someone else, not Biden, is running this country. You are only fear mongering with your delusional opinions.

IK September 26, 2023, 1:48 pm Well said once more John!

DE September 26, 2023, 11:05 am "Fox News won a court case by ‘persuasively’ arguing that no ‘reasonable viewer’ takes Tucker Carlson seriously" https://www.businessinsider.nl/fox-news-won-a-court-case-by-persuasively-arguing-that-no-reasonable-viewer-takes-tucker-carlson-seriously/

PK September 25, 2023, 9:46 pm John...You should know by now that the ones who criticize us are either Biden supporters or ones who don't watch or read the news. Keep plugging away, because I intend to.

RS September 25, 2023, 9:19 pm Talk about gaslighting. You are just mad because people exposed your lies. The crux of the original post was that illegal immigrants are receiving $2200 a month is Social Security benefits, that is false. Now you are trying to inject a broader opinion on immigration. Admit you are wrong on the social security benefits. It must be miserable to be you. Rosemary Schwartz